DANIEL BLUE: IMPORTANT THINKER SCHOOLS ME >>>
I just had the honor of corresponding with a very important thinker in today’s mixed up and crazy world â€" James Howard Kunstler, author of The Geography of Nowhere and The Long Emergency. Geography won him attention as a critic of sorts on America's poorly illustrated urban planning. He reminds us that oil is nearly gone and the way we have structured our lives, cities, and cultures, depends on something that cannot last.
This may not seem important to you. But just imagine where you would get your food and Starbucks when the truck wont start. On the eve of his lecture at the Theatre on the Square in downtown Tacoma I started my interview as a bit of a mock skeptic, and then he schooled me.
DANIEL BLUE: So much of the information we receive as a culture we have trained ourselves to dismiss as another advertisement or fear-based propaganda. I don't have a television, and most of the news I hear is transmitted orally. I hear whispers of the end of oil, but I hear rumors that there is plenty still locked in the arctic. As strange as it may seem, for every voice that sends a warning, there seems to be an equally extreme voice shouting that there is nothing to worry about and we have all the time we need. Who the hell do we believe here?
JAMES HOWARD KUNSTLER: You're not paying attention. The “cognitive dissonance†has got you. The evidence overwhelmingly suggests that we have a huge problem with oil, which will not be offset by the skimpy new discoveries that have come along recently.
BLUE: Who stands to gain from the end of oil? Won't the corporation that discovers an alternative energy source rule the world?
KUNSTLER: That's magical thinking â€" tinged with grandiosity and paranoia. There's no corporation that can bail us out of our oil-addiction problem with "rescue remedy." There are lots of alt.energy resources, and we will use everything possible, but we're sure to be disappointed by what they can do for us. That's the key to understanding what we face. As I've said a million times, no combination of solar, wind, ethanol, biodiesel, nuclear, or used-french-fry-oil will allow us to keep running Wal-Mart and the Interstate highway system (and that's the unstated wish behind your question). We have to make other arrangements for everyday life. Those who benefit will be those who are prepared to live locally and work shoulder-to-shoulder with their neighbors.
BLUE: What was your favorite celebrity divorce last year?
KUNSTLER: Oh Christ, I don't even remember who ditched whom.
BLUE: What role do you see the arts playing in the transformation of the human slave state?
KUNSTLER: I consider the arts of tremendous importance â€" more as
a mentality than an instrumentality. Wendell Berry had a lot to say
about this in Harpers Magazine recently. He is correct, of course. Our
technological fixation has gotten us in a lot of trouble. These days we
suffer from techno-triumphalism or techno-grandiosity that is very
pernicious. It has led to much delusional thinking about technology's
ability to rescue us from the diminishing returns of ... technology! We
desperately need to turn instead to artistry, excellence, fine work,
loving, and other human enactments not strictly technological
BLUE: Do you think there is oil on the moon? Mars?
KUNSTLER: No. It's a dumb question.
BLUE: Are we the dinosaurs that will fuel the next evolution?
KUNSTLER: Well, we're gonna leave a lot of crap behind, but not
much that would be considered a precursor to great underground pools of
oil.
BLUE: All of this doom is so depressing, what is your favorite anti-anxiety medication?
KUNSTLER: I'm actually pretty cheerful. But once in a while I'll
pop a Xanax. For example, I get anxious in big concert crowds and
situations like that. Xanax has an unpleasant fatigue-like blowback, so
it's best taken later in the day.
BLUE: What are some things that my readers can do right now, this
evening, to improve the quality of life for the whole? Where does your
doom find traction in my current paradigm?
KUNSTLER: You say "your doom" as if I have ownership of a particular brand of doom. Not so. My new post-oil novel, World Made By Hand
depicts the future as having many lovely qualities â€" though there is
also much hardship. I'm not gloomy about the future. It's the present
that I find disagreeable, especially the tyranny of cars and machines.
Your readers can learn how to use hand tools, cultivate a social
network of people they can depend on, learn to play musical
instruments, stay healthy and fit by being active, grow something at
whatever scale is available to you (even just a pot of herbs), read
some of the 'great books' rather than turn on the boob tube, save money
rather than spend it on electronic crap, and find somebody to love. ...
Most of all, don't be crybabies.
BLUE: Love is all you need. Who will be the next hero? They killed John Lennon, why haven't they killed Bono?
KUNSTLER: Bono strikes me as more of a grandstander than a truly
heroic figure. Somebody will get it, though, at some point in the
future. Who can say?
BLUE: Yeah man. How do we wake up? Is anyone doing this right? Do
you have examples of communities who are living in a true sustainable
manner?
KUNSTLER: How to wake up: pay attention. Be earnest and brave.
Circumstances have not really forced the issue, so I don't think there
are any great examples out there yet of how we will be actually living
in the future. I am inclined to think that agriculture will come much
closer to the center of our daily economic life than it has for
generations.
BLUE: Are you interested in running for mayor of Tacoma?
KUNSTLER: That's obviously not a serious question.
BLUE: What is the question that you've always hoped someone would ask you?
KUNSTLER: Are you available to accept your Nobel Prize in person, or shall we just send the check?
If you have wondered how you are going to wake up, this would be a good start.
James Howard Kunstler will be speaking in Tacoma Wednesday, April 23, 7 p.m., at the Broadway Center for the Performing Arts’ Theatre on the Square. Tickets are $18, $9 for students, at 253.591.5894.
Kunstler is funny and dangerous, don't miss it.
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